Reframing the ADHD Diagnosis and Understanding Why People Self-Medicate with Marijuana, with Dr. Ned Hallowell

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Reframing the ADHD Diagnosis and Understanding Why People Self-Medicate with Marijuana, with Dr. Ned Hallowell
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ABOUT THE EPISODE:
If you have a son or daughter with ADD or ADHD you already know the struggle…especially if it's not officially diagnosed and you're floundering with the very real symptoms. You probably also know about self-medicating with marijuana and the slippery slope that follows.

Dr. Ned Hallowell, prolific author (most recently ADHD 2.0) and renowned ADD specialist joined me for this highly informative conversation all about teens and young adults, ADD, and why it's vital to get the right treatment.

We covered a lot of ground including:

  • his rule for parents about worrying
  • why Dr. Hallowell focuses on turning ADHD symptoms on their head
  • famous people with ADD
  •  the challenge of the "moral diagnosis"
  • why he recommends medication as the #1 way to help avoid substance use in a young person with ADD, 
  • AND what must be combined with the meds for successful treatment
  • why he's writing his 21st book
  • common issues people with ADD share
  • the importance of the right school
  • and tons more

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SPEAKERS
Brenda Zane, Dr. Hallowell
Brenda  01:50
Before we get into today’s topic, and my incredible guest, I just want to ask, how are you? Like, really, how are you? If you’re here, there is a good chance that all is not well or smooth in your life right now. Or maybe it’s getting better. And I like to just check in every once in a while and acknowledge that the decision to listen to explore options and find information is a really brave one. It’s not easy to do what you are doing, you would probably way rather be listening to a true-crime podcast or a cooking show, or whatever you like. But you know that you can help your son or daughter. And so showing up here today. And each week as I know many of you do is truly a gift that you are giving them in yourself. I will tell you, this journey will grow you in ways that you did not know that you could grow, it will cause you to think about things you wouldn’t normally think about and act in ways that you might never have had to otherwise. So that can be uncomfortable. 
Brenda  03:05
And if I have learned anything in doing almost 100 episodes of Hope stream, it’s that the more comfortable we can get in the uncomfortableness of life, the better we are going to be. I am not talking about wallowing in the muck. But understanding that the muck is part of life and it’s okay to get a little messy sometimes and even to be okay with getting messy. I have found out that the muck of life won’t kill me. It makes me very uncomfortable, but I can push through it. Okay, so just wanted to do a little check in there. I’m really glad that you’re here today in particular. And if you have a child who has been diagnosed with ADD or ADHD, or if you’re wondering if your child has this condition, this is your episode. 
Brenda  04:02
I cannot tell you how excited I was to find my guest for today’s conversation. He is a board-certified child and adult psychiatrist and a world authority on ADHD. He’s a graduate of Harvard College until a medical school and he was a Harvard Medical School faculty member for 21 years. He is the founder of the Halliwell ADHD centers in Boston, New York, San Francisco, Palo Alto in Seattle and has written 20 books on a variety of psychological topics. His newest book, which you must get is called ADHD to point out what I really like is he takes a strength-based approach to neuro-diversity and has ADHD and dyslexia himself. Friends. I got to have the best conversation with this incredible doctor who’s been on 2020 60 minutes Oprah, PBS CNN the today’s show, Dateline Good Morning America, The New York Times USA Today. You get it all of the places and now today he is on Hopestream and I am so thrilled. He’s the real deal. I can’t wait for you to hear now for my guest Dr. Ned Halliwell as we talk about teens, young adults, ADHD, and substance use. Welcome Dr. Halliwell to Hobe stream, I am thrilled to have you here. This is a conversation I know so many of my listeners are going to be dying to hear. So I appreciate you making the time. Thank you for joining me.
Dr. Hallowell  05:41
Oh, it’s a real pleasure for me. Thank you for inviting me.
Brenda  05:44
I would love to get a quick background on you. I’ve shared your books. And I would love to just get a little bit of background on you what made you interested in working and specialize in ADHD? And then we’re going to dive into all the questions I have.
Dr. Hallowell  06:01
Well, you know, I went to college, intending to be a writer. And then I decided, but it’s awfully hard to make a living as a writer, so I better have a day job. So I thought medical school sounded interesting. So I applied to medical school and got in and that’s a long road. And then I was trying to decide I thought I’d become a surgeon. But then at the last minute, I thought I think psychiatry is more interesting. So I did a residency in psychiatry, and then you finish your residency, and you have to do something for the third year, and I didn’t know what to do. So I thought, Okay, try child psychiatry. Well, then, in my first year of my fellowship, in 1981, I heard a lecture about a condition that I’d never heard of called then attention deficit disorder. And at that lecture, I realized that I had it myself. And I also realized that it was tremendously misunderstood that there was a whole raft of positive symptoms that went with this. I mean, obviously, I didn’t have some Deficit Disorder. 
Dr. Hallowell  07:05
I graduated from Harvard, I graduated from medical school, I was right I was, you know, I was doing well. So to call me a deficit disorder. So I knew that it missed the positives. I knew that that so I just started learning from my patients, because the textbooks didn’t get it, right. That’s why I got interested because I have it myself. And I knew it was common, I knew it was misunderstood. And I knew the Deficit Disorder model absolutely missed the point, we don’t have a deficit of attention at all, we have an abundance of attention. And our challenge is to control it. You know, we’ve got a race car for a brain a Ferrari for a brain with bicycle brakes. And once you strengthen your brakes, you can win races, but if you don’t, you can crash and burn. And one of the most common ways of crashing and burning is with addiction. But I got into it, because I have it myself. I also have dyslexia. I knew that through college, I’m an incredibly slow reader. It takes me forever to get through a book. My wife says, I don’t know how to, you know, anything. It takes me so long to read. But you know, majoring in English at Harvard, I had to read some books, you know, when I graduated with high honors, so like most of us would add, I find a way to do it. It’s just not the usual way.
Brenda  08:20
Right? Well, that’s what I really loved about when I was looking at your book, ADHD 2.0, where you talked about how can people minimize the downsides and maximize the benefits of ADHD? And I just add, and we can talk about the labeling. I thought, Gosh, I’d never heard that before. I’d never really heard anybody talking about how this can be such a benefit to you. And before we get into that, maybe you can just level set us on what it actually is like, Is this what’s going on in the brain? Do you catch it? Is it hereditary, isn’t created, like how do our kids end up with this, and then we’ll talk about sort of how they’re self medicating and all the problems that come with that
Dr. Hallowell  09:02
90% of the time, it’s hereditary, you inherit a set of genes that predispose toward your having this condition, you can also require a head injury, brain insult, that sort of thing. But that, that’s 10% 90% is genetic, like in my case, I had that and all three of my kids have it, and what’s going on it really the best explanation is what I just said a racecar for a brain with bicycle brakes. So your brain is an incredibly powerful, it’s like a Ferrari. You’ve got an extraordinarily powerful mind, but you have great trouble controlling it. The three key symptoms as defined in the diagnostic manual are three groups of symptoms. distractibility, impulsivity and hyperactivity. You take each one of those and turn it on its head, and you get a tremendous positive. And that’s why the medical model the Deficit Disorder model misses half the story, but the good part, distractibility, turn it on its head, what are you getting? Curiosity. We’re endlessly curious. What’s that? What’s that? What’s that? What’s that? We’re just a question. 
Dr. Hallowell  10:05
When I was a kid, they called me the question box. I couldn’t stop asking questions and I still can’t stop asking questions. I’m, I’m really curious, became a psychiatrist. I want to hear your story. You know, I want to know, I want to know the story. What’s the deal? You know, there’s so that curiosity is the upside of distractibility, right? And impulsivity. This is my favorite one, you know, impulsivity is why people they get in trouble that was so impulsive. And you know, sure enough, I, I can’t tell you how many women I asked to marry me on the first date. You know, say we’re having fun, let’s make it last, you know, and fortunately, they had better brakes. But the flip side of impulsivity, think about this now, what is creativity, but impulsivity going right? You don’t plan to have a new idea. They pop, they come out of nowhere, you ask, why did you think of that? The honest answers, I don’t know. You know, but we they just pop play where our brains are like popcorn machines were popping new ideas all the time. Most of them don’t pan out. 
Dr. Hallowell  11:08
But every now and then you get a Nobel Prize, you know. And in fact, the person who invented the PCR tests that were everyone’s getting for COVID, the polymerase chain reaction, he had big time add Kary Mullis. And he won the Nobel Prize in Chemistry for that. And, and it’s thought of as next to the double helix maybe the biggest advance in biology in the past century. So you know, so that’s the flip side of impulsivity. And then the flip side of hyperactivity, you get to be my age, I’m 72 years old, is called energy. I’m really glad I’ve got this little turbo pack on my back, you know, it, you know, allows me to do a lot of stuff at 72 years old. So that’s what I want people to understand that this is not an entirely negative condition. Yes, it can ruin your life. Ross Barkley is shown many statistics, you know, if you don’t deal with it, it cuts on average 13 years of your life. So it’s right up there with diabetes and smoking in terms of morbidity and mortality. But if you do take it seriously, then it can become like a superpower. And so I tell people, I don’t treat disabilities, I help people unwrap their gifts. And the gift of add can be very hard to unwrap there are many obstacles that can come up along the way. But the goal is not to make you Joe normal. But to make you Joe Superman or Superwoman, you know, because we’ll never be Joe normal or Jill normal. That ain’t gonna happen. Right. But we can be Joe or Jill extraordinary. And that absolutely can happen.
Brenda  12:42
Wow, what an amazing shift in my thinking of how I’ve always sort of looked at it as an affliction versus this gift. So I love that. And I think talking to
Dr. Hallowell  12:53
It can be an affliction. Don’t get me wrong, yes. Right. Great. And it can ruin your life. But so the goal is to learn how to strengthen your brakes, minimize the downside and maximize the upside, right? Yes. And I know you want to talk about addiction, and that’s one of the lead downsides. You know, in fact, I think it is the biggest puddle on the road of ADHD is addiction or substance use disorder, as we call it now. And you know that addiction is about 10 times more common in people who have ADHD.
Brenda  13:25
I believe it I absolutely believe
Dr. Hallowell  13:27
that 80% of addiction begins between the ages of 13 and 23. So it’s really important that you understand ADHD. And that you you realize that what these kids are trying to do is treat an inner feeling of tension. They’re trying to quell the anxiety that they’re feeling because of their untreated ADHD. So they’re self medicating. And the typical pattern is they discover weed marijuana, and they have this amazing eureka moment my god I finally feel good at last I the racecar brain is slowed down at last the anxiety isn’t hitting me like a lot of needles. It’s fun until and you know and that’s the word they usually use um, chill. And it’s a godsend. I mean they found their medication, it’s called marijuana. The only problem with that you know you why you can’t just say okay, smoke weed for the rest of your life and bless you is that what usually develops with weed is number one, what we call an a motivational syndrome that all they want to do is smoke weed and chill. 
Dr. Hallowell  14:40
And then number two even more dangerous. It people say this isn’t isn’t so but I’ve seen it so many times. Weed is a gateway drug. And so what they typically do is move on to Xanax and then opiates, so you go from weed to Xanax to oxycontin or Fen No or heroin, some of the really major danger. And then it’s held, it’s absolutely held. And then you know it until recently, the only treatment we had was 12 Step programs, and God bless them, you know, they’re wonderful. But most people don’t know this. But the success rate of 12 Step programs, the VA and all the others, if you define success as sober, clean and sober for one year, the success rate is 15%. Well, that means the failure rate is 85%. So it’s a pretty dismal for that being the best treatment we’ve got right, and everywhere you go, you’ll get these 12 Step programs. And it’s a growth industry, people are making a lot of money off of this, but it’s just usually ineffective, because the follow up isn’t there. 
Dr. Hallowell  15:48
And now, the big advance that’s taken the success rate from 15% to 70%. Is medication-assisted treatment. And so you know, this is anathema to the purist, but they’re just wrong. And for example, the one though I have a ton of experiences, if you treat the ADD, let’s say with stimulant medication, it becomes way easier for the person to give up his or her addiction. And that applies not only to chemical addictions to alcohol, marijuana, Xanax, but also to behavioral addictions, which are very common. Now with the internet is sex and gambling are surging, I have a friend actually who is a sex addict. And he said to me, I can have a woman in my apartment or wherever I happen to be in 15 minutes without paying her. This is not a hooker. This is I can find a woman because of the internet who wants to have sex, you know, willingly, actively, enthusiastically, so there’s no crime, right? And the availability is instant. So you’ve got behavioral addictions and gambling the same so the gambling is going on and Gamble is so and what these folks with ADHD are doing is they’re self medicating. They don’t know that’s what they’re doing because they don’t know they have ADHD or maybe they do know that heavy but, and what really makes it so much more difficult, is what I call the moral diagnosis. 
Dr. Hallowell  17:20
And there is no condition that society disparages, more viciously, then addiction, you know, doctors in emergency rooms, they hate the addicts, they scorn them, they ridicule them, get out of my emergency room, that’s what Gomer stands for. Gio, and er, went out of my emergency room, and you know, so they want to get rid of them. They they hate them. And it’s just so sad to see a medical condition because we know now, this is a genetically determined medical condition. And it’s very, very related to ADD or ADHD. So you would never tell someone who had diabetes or high blood pressure or a broken leg, you’re a bad person for breaking your leg Shame on you, or you’re just a bad person and, and how can you dare have diabetes. So you know, you’re supposed to control your blood sugar, you are a bad person. I mean, nobody would do that. And yet, the typical reaction to someone who struggles with substance use is you’re a bad person. So on top of the misery, they’re suffering, being addicted, they’re getting scorn everywhere they turn. And that just makes it all the more difficult for them to put their lives back together.
Brenda  18:39
Hey, I hope you are enjoying this conversation, I want to take a quick break to let you know about a very special place where you can meet me and over 100 Other moms who have kids in various stages of substance use and recovery. It’s called the stream and it’s a private, global online community away from all social media. This is not a Facebook group, where we help you learn skills to have better communication and relationships. We focus on your physical and mental health, and you get plugged into a community where you don’t have to explain anything, because we all get it. I’m guessing you probably spend a lot of time focused on your son or your daughter. So this is the place where we take care of you. You can hang out with us free for two weeks to see if it’s the kind of support you need. And you can check it all out at the stream community.com
Brenda  19:35
Now let’s get back to Dr. Halliwell. Wow, you hit so many things on the head there. I think every parent listening if your kiddo is struggling with substance use and they have ADHD or a DD you just absolutely described what they do starting with the weed. Moving on to Xanax moving on to fentanyl and because there is no heroin anymore. There Really no oxycontin anymore. And so, as parents, we live in this state of terror, because we’re scrambling trying to figure out what to do with ADD, or scrambling trying to figure out what to do with the substance use. And I think there’s, even as parents, even if we’re seeing it in our home, there can be this empathy gap of Can’t you just get it together, like, get it together, kid. And I think one of the frustrating things that we see is that he could sit and play video games for 10 hours, or he does really well, when he’s at work, you know, he’s got this job, and he does really well at that job. But then he comes home and, and everything falls apart. And so I’m wondering kind of what some of the best things we could do as a parent would be, and what some of the worst things we could be doing, like maybe that you could give us some tips on how we might be helping to dig that hole deeper. And then what we could be doing, if, as a parent, you’re pursuing medication, if you’re pursuing treatment, or therapy, you know, like, Where would we start, because this just feels like such a big ball of tangled up rubber bands.
Dr. Hallowell  21:13
It really does start with knowledge. And that, you know, knowledge really does set you free in this case, and ignorance is absolute misery. It just is and my book, ADHD 2.0. It’s only 100 pages long. It has everything you need to know in there. And so you start with knowledge and then talk to other people like joining your group. You know, one of my first rules is never worry alone. Yes. So you know, when you talk to other people, you suddenly go from miserable and catastrophizing to problem solving. When you worry with other people, you problem solved. And you pull your knowledge, and you get a dose of what I call the other vitamin C, which is vitamin Connect, which we’re really low on these days, because of COVID. And you know, social isolation is bad for us cigarette smoking. So most people don’t know that either. You know, so begin with knowledge. And then connection, never worry long talk to other people, other people have been there. And you’ll discover the news is really good. If you do the right things. There is not only light at the end of the tunnel, there is paradise. I mean, you know, there really is these folks are the world beaters, these folks are when they unwrap their gift to people that you know that we need whoever invented the wheel definitely had this condition. But if you’re in the midst of dealing with add plus addiction, by the way, the single most simple thing you can do to prevent it, which of course you want is to get them on medication. And most people say what they thought amphetamine, you know, made addiction worse. No. And the studies are very clear. If you take stimulant medication, and you have a DD as you head into adolescence, remembering 13 to 23 of the most dangerous years, your rate of addiction goes way down. So far from being a gateway drug Adderall, for example, or Ritalin. If you take it properly, and again underline take it properly, it reduces the risk of addiction dramatically. 
Dr. Hallowell  23:19
But you don’t want to just give medication you want to give understanding. And so you want the person, both the parent and the child to understand what they’ve got. This is a very all encompassing condition. This is not just a few isolated symptoms. This is really is who you are and your best side and your worst side. One of the best things we add years have going for us is we’re very creative. But we need to have a creative outlet. We’re like cows, we need to be milked. And every day, we need to express our creativity. So make sure your son or daughter has that maybe it’s playing the guitar. Maybe it’s starting a small business. Maybe it’s a watercolor, I don’t know what it is. But it is really important that you have a creative outlet. I’m working on my 21st book right now. And the reason I write so many books is if I don’t have a book going I get depressed. I need to have a book going. And that’s true for most of us we need so and people don’t take that seriously enough. They think it’s window dressing. No, it’s fundamental. And the other fundamental is human connection. We really you know, this never worry alone thing. We really need human connection. And we often push it away people often avoid us because we’re not paving and all that kind of stuff but I’m telling you Love is the answer it just plain is and and people don’t believe that. They just don’t know the facts. And these guys can be hard to love. They’ve disappointed you they’ve you know, like you said they don’t get their act together. What’s the problem? Cut it out. I’m not going to enable you one of the dumbest words I’ve ever heard enable you. These folks need help. That’s not an ad They’ve got a disease that they need to have treated and to shun them, in the name of helping them grow up is tough love. It’s just It’s dumb. And it’s cruel, and it’s lethal. 
Dr. Hallowell  25:11
So you don’t go there. Instead, learn about it, understand it, and then help them deal with these urges. And one of the best ways is with medication, stimulant medication will work about 80% of the time. And that means it will make it a lot easier to give up your substance or behavior that you’re wanting to give up. It’ll strengthen your breaks. And 80% is a pretty good track record. So you know, I recommend a trial of medication, the 80% is good, but the 20% that it doesn’t help, it doesn’t help that that’s okay. Because if you’ve got a team in place, you’re trying to create situations that foster focus, and the combination of three elements to do that. Any situation that has structure that has novelty, and the person is motivated to be there, they’ll focus good example is video games, full of novelty, good is motivated to do it. And there’s lots of structure. And that’s why they can pay rapt attention to that for hours on end. But so also can they pay rapt attention to building a boat, or starting a business, it’s got to have structure, novelty, meaning an outlet for creativity, and then it’s got to be something you want to do. And so in general, you want to look for the overlap of three spheres, all the things you love to do, all the things you’re really good at, and all the things someone will pay you to do. And so where those overlap, that should be your career, something you’re good at, that you love to do, and someone will pay you to do. That’s where you should spend as much of your time as possible. And as little of your time as possible, doing the things you hate to do that you’re bad at. Because you’re not going to do well with that. There’s some things we have to do like brush your teeth, you know, we don’t like doing it. We now may not be good at it, but you got to do it. But there’s a lot of things people, people stay with relationships and jobs that are just killing them because of inertia. Now, another thing with our add stuff is we put things off, you know, so we just say oh, I’ll do that tomorrow. 
Dr. Hallowell  27:23
And with relationships, and I’ve seen this so many times you have parents who might be listening. It is so common for young people with ADHD to fall for train wrecks. Let me tell you why we fall in love with train wrecks. Two reasons. Number one people add are always looking for high stimulation. We want the high STEM. We boredom is our kryptonite. We just can’t do it. We bounced off of it. So high stim draws us in. Well, train wrecks are highly stimulating. You know, they’re dramatic. They’re cutting, they’re threatening suicide, they’re raging, they’re histrionic train wrecks are very stimulating. And number two, it’s just part of ADD we are born saviors, we want to rescue people. So we think the train wreck we say, Oh, we understand her or him. And you know, good boys are boring. Bad Boys are exciting, but I can save him. It’s usually not a good plan of attack, you know. So if you can stay away from the train wreck and then realize that not every person who’s not a train wreck is boring. Like you, Brenda, you’re you’re a very interesting woman and you’re not a train wreck. So you know,
Brenda  28:35
maybe it probably depends on who you ask. That’s so true, though. You are describing somebody I know very well, with that. And I love that you said start with knowledge. Because if we can start to recognize those things, they don’t become so scary. And they don’t become so mysterious. And I do hear that a lot. Boredom. Oh, but that’s boring. Oh, that’s boring. And one thing that I know many of our parents struggle with in their teenage kids and adolescent kids is school is torture for these kids. Do you have thoughts on helping parents figure out? Is it a different school environment? Is there something we can do? Well, yeah,
Dr. Hallowell  29:20
I mean, you’re limited by what you can afford and where you live. But yes, there are good schools. I mean, I I went to Exeter, which is a prep school up in New Hampshire. And it you know, it’s very rigorous, very traditional, but actually not so traditional. Because all the classes were taught at round tables. Well, that’s perfect for add, because someone’s always looking at. So I couldn’t daydream. And moreover, the teaching style is all Socratic. It’s all discussion. It’s all asking a question. Well, when someone asks you a question that instantly activates your imagination, and so you get engaged as opposed to lecture which is soporific puts you to sleep. So you can find a school that is discussion-based, that welcomes it. Like when I was at Exeter, I was encouraged to be different. I was encouraged to disagree. I was encouraged to say the king has no clothes. In some of these schools you do that you get sent to the principal’s office. 
Dr. Hallowell  30:17
So we you know, we add ears, we are always asking why that’s just what we do. And to tell us not to or to tell us to be quiet. It’s stifling, and deadening. Yeah, you know, I tell you a quick story, someone who’s become a friend of mine. He went to school in the Midwest to a Lutheran School, he had a wonderful sense of humor, he could make people laugh. He also liked to draw. Well, the school didn’t think either of those things were a good thing to do not good to make people laugh and not good to draw. So he would get paddled every day, or every week, the principal would take a big board, and you’d have to bend over and you’d get whacked with this big pedal, and it continued. Not just third grade fifth, all the way up to 12th grade, he was getting basically, you know, beaten for expressing his talent, which was drawing and making people laugh. Well, his name is Dave Pilkey. And he is the author of Captain Underpants. And those books have sold 80 million copies. Wow. He said the last laugh but you know, he has both ADHD and dyslexia. Wow, he’s just the sweetest man in the world. He’s married to a Japanese lady. They don’t have any children of their own. But they’ve got 80 million plus, you know, I talked to him. I said, Why aren’t you bitter Dave, and he said, which I think is true for for most of us with ADD, we just don’t do bitter very well, we tend not to grow bitter that we tend to endure, survive and prevail. And he has certainly done that.
Brenda  31:55
Amazing, amazing. Thank you for sharing that. Because it can seem like this is such a curse. And like you said it can be if it’s not managed. And I think I know I have to let you go. But one thing that you said really stuck with me is that when kids are mad at self-medicating, like with marijuana, it seems like what they’re doing is they’re trying to slow down the Ferrari. And what you’re saying is don’t slow down the Ferrari just strengthen your brakes. And so it’s finding, it’s that shift of, you know, just find healthier ways to put on the brakes. Don’t try to slow down the Ferrari or numb it out or dole it. So that is really, really helpful.
Dr. Hallowell  32:34
And that’s where you know it weed and alcohol, both will numb it, slow it down, help you chill out. And once in a while it’s fine. You know, I enjoyed my martinis, but as a way of life. It’s not that it’s morally wrong, it will not serve you well. Right. You won’t develop your talents.
Brenda  32:53
Yeah, you won’t benefit.
Dr. Hallowell  32:54
I’m not saying achievement is what life is all about. But most people don’t feel fulfilled if they haven’t done something have, you know, created something.
Brenda  33:04
Right? Right. Incredible. I am going to list in the show notes. If you’re listening all of Dr. Hallowell’s books and the various locations because I know your centers have locations in many different states. So I will list those thank you so much for this just I think it’s gonna really kind of put a little bit of a kick in in parents steps. Yeah.

Dr. Hallowell  33:32
And Brenda, to the listeners, there is absolutely hope – it’s not the bleak story that it was only a few years ago, you know, it really is and, and don’t buy the tough love model. It’s just punishing us the book, beyond addiction. And you know, basically understanding knowledge will set you free and the power of love combined with knowledge. That’s the answer. And thankfully, this is indeed now a very treatable condition. And often, if your child happens to have ADHD, wow, it makes the treating the addiction so much easier, because there’s a very good chance stimulant medication could really help.
Brenda  
Thank you so much for listening. If you’d like to go to the show notes, you can always find those at At Brendazane.com/podcast, each episode is listed there with a full transcript, all of the resources that we mentioned, as well as a place to leave comments if you’d like to do that. You might also want to download a free ebook I wrote called Hindsight: Three things I wish I knew when my son was addicted to drugs. It’s full of the information I wish I would have known when my son was struggling with his addiction. You can grab that at Brendazane.com/hindsight. Thanks again for listening and I will meet you right back here next week.

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